Episode 6: A New Light / Ein neues Licht

Tachzusamm · Beitrag von **Tachzusamm** » 27.06.2007, 11:40

Letzter Beitrag der vorhergehenden Seite:

Hier noch ein ChatLog-Snippet aus Nachrichten, die gestern per Relayer hineinkamen.
Reteltree (weiss nicht, wer das ist) hatte wohl die Gelegenheit, einem Gespräch zwischen Cate und Marie beizuwohnen.
Als eine Art Berater, weil er (?) sich seit einiger Zeit mit diversen Forschergruppierungen beschäftigt (Guild of Greeters, Guild of Helper etc.).
Irgendwas ist da also angedacht; er wurde zwar gebeten, kein Chatlog während des vertraulichen Gespräches zu machen und konnte auch nicht alles verraten, sondern hat aus dem Gedächtnis berichtet, aber es gibt uns wiedermal etwas Gelegenheit für Spekulationen.

Die Header "From [ Relayer ] Abathyr in [ Relayer ] Abathyr's Relto:" habe ich durch "[Relayer]:" ersetzt, damit es lesbarer wird.
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Tachzusamm · Beitrag von **Tachzusamm** » 27.06.2007, 12:00

Noch ein Chatlog von Nick Whites Besuch im Watchers Sanctuary.
Zu Beginn wohl etwas unvollständig.

Eine Bemerkung zu Sydney Austin: Wie vielleicht bekannt ist, war sie vor einer Weile in Kadish Vault gefangen, weil sie dort versehentlich ihre Reltobuchseite zerriss; dort versuchte sie dann zu springen, weil keine Rettung in Sicht war und wurde seitdem als verschollen oder tot geglaubt. Allerdings tauchte sie gestern wieder in meiner Buddieliste auf - und in Nicks wohl auch.
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Hamsta · Beitrag von **Hamsta** » 27.06.2007, 12:40

Viel interessanter als die Sydney Geschichte finde ich ja, das der DRC allen Anschein nach einen neuen Wissenschaftler, einen Anthropologen zu besuch hatte, bzw. er wahrscheinlich noch immer in den Höhlen anzutreffen ist.

Qvist · Beitrag von **Qvist** » 27.06.2007, 13:08

Ja, das war gestern ganz aufschlussreich, ich war dort. Er hat über Voice-Chat gesprochen. Sam hat aber alles dokumentiert.

Code: Alles auswählen

(06/27 02:07:03) [ Relayer ]: Sam:  will we be getting a KI update?  will we be getting something else?
(06/27 02:07:20) [ Relayer ]: reteltree is wondering what guild structure will be like
(06/27 02:07:30) [ Relayer ]: Sam:  wanna update the relayers Ret
(06/27 02:08:48)  Thend: Relayers?
(06/27 02:09:04)  Reteltee: The discussion topic was the Resotration of the D'ni Guilds
(06/27 02:09:05) [ Relayer ]: Reteltree:  ok soto recap: I just finished at meeting with Cate and Marie in the council bevin about min ago
(06/27 02:09:22)  Eric Wolfe: Hmm
(06/27 02:09:31) [ Relayer ]: Ret: the topic was the restoriation of the D;ni Guilds
(06/27 02:09:37) [ Relayer ]: Ret: they're taking it very seriously
(06/27 02:09:52) [ Relayer ]: R: taking steps in this direction - just taking steps right now, baby steps
(06/27 02:09:56)  Sam Byard: DRC put emphasis on guilds being developed in "baby steps"
(06/27 02:10:38) [ Relayer ]: (Reteltree is speaking to a group in the UO hood)
(06/27 02:10:44)  Sam Byard: Ret will be posting a chatlog with the first part of the meeting
(06/27 02:10:58) [ Relayer ]: R: I will be posting a chat log of the first part of the meeting with Cate and Marie
(06/27 02:11:03)  Eric Wolfe: chatlog?
(06/27 02:11:14) [ Relayer ]: Cate demanded that he not log the info and that he not discuss it
(06/27 02:11:17)  Do'Tsahvahn: What is your opinion on their secret process?
(06/27 02:11:28) [ Relayer ]: he turned the log off so he could have input
(06/27 02:11:28)  Sam Byard: cate demanded he not chatlog the specific info he was giving/shout and that he not repeat some specific aspects/shout cate made it clear that if he wanted to express his opinion that he would have to have to turn the log off
(06/27 02:11:56)  Do'Tsahvahn: The things you could not log, could you at leasst tell us what you thought of that part?
(06/27 02:11:58)  Thend: Sam you are broadcasting to us
(06/27 02:12:17) [ Relayer ]: Cate demanded that he not chatlog the specific info and not repeat specific aspects
(06/27 02:12:19)  Eric Wolfe: Why didn't they just have a public announcement? That doesn't make any sense.
(06/27 02:12:38)  Sam Byard: the truth is that the DRC has played close to the ? and this has been something with cate/shout the perception rit gets is that Cate was serious about this
(06/27 02:12:42) [ Relayer ]: it's not secret process necessarily.  the DRC has always played it close to the vest.  this is par for the course especially for Cate.
(06/27 02:12:43)  ~Ashelbane~: Hmm...
(06/27 02:13:10) [ Relayer ]: Cate was very serious about this - this is something they are putting some thought into, a duty to the explorers to expand
(06/27 02:13:12)  Do'Tsahvahn: Thanks
(06/27 02:13:13)  ~Ashelbane~: Maybe Cate doesn't want it to be Marie who announces this?
(06/27 02:13:26)  Sam Byard: cate does not want to rush into this and they see it as a duty to the exploreres and they want to improve our experience here
(06/27 02:13:36) [ Relayer ]: DRC is putting some thought into this and making it a valuable addition to our exploration experience
(06/27 02:13:41) [ Relayer ]: exp:  asking for specifics
(06/27 02:13:50)  Sam Byard: Rit has some liberty to talk about non-logged talk however not all of it can be announced
(06/27 02:13:53)  Thend: Sam, who are you broadcasting to?
(06/27 02:14:07) [ Relayer ]: R:  I have a little more liberty to talk about things but nothing specific.  I don't have very many specifics
(06/27 02:14:08)  Sam Byard: i'm shouting to the whole area
(06/27 02:14:14)  Sam Byard: it can be logged
(06/27 02:14:20) [ Relayer ]: they did not give him a lot of info
(06/27 02:14:31)  Eric Wolfe: I'd prefer they talked to us about this, not through private meetings.
(06/27 02:14:33)  Thend: okay, gotcha, thank you  :)
(06/27 02:14:39)  Sam Byard: cate was specific that it was baby steps and they dont want to hinder the other restoration projects
(06/27 02:14:45) [ Relayer ]: they want to slowly roll out the implementation so that it fits with other projects
(06/27 02:15:07) [ Relayer ]: they wanted his opinion on what guilds should be included
(06/27 02:15:17)  Sam Byard: they asked if Rit was an expert in guilds, he said he was familiar but not an expert
(06/27 02:15:31) [ Relayer ]: they asked because he's studied them, what type of structure should they have
(06/27 02:15:50)  Sam Byard: cate asked about hwat structure should they have, rit answered that they are a structured environment, there must be a oppurtunity to progress IN the guild as opposed to a bevin
(06/27 02:16:07) [ Relayer ]: his response was the opportunity to progress.  anybody should be able to join, specific skills could be included.
(06/27 02:16:12)  Sam Byard: there should be abilities to work within the guild and community build within the guild for anyone who wants to join
(06/27 02:16:29) [ Relayer ]: they should be able to progress in the guild, as opposed to a bevin
(06/27 02:16:43)  Andrew Eldred: Ret, how were you chosen for this meeting?  I'm unfamiliar with the reasons, though I'm not trying to criticize them?  ;)
(06/27 02:16:45)  Do'Tsahvahn: Could you ask to have a Town Hall where we all talk and discuss?
(06/27 02:16:53) [ Relayer ]: the focus is on collaboration.  Help us to branch out beyond the bevins, groups within the bevins, structured environments
(06/27 02:17:19)  Sam Byard: rit said to cate that it wouold be nice to break the large community structure down into smaller guilds to work collabatorally on more specific projects
(06/27 02:17:28) [ Relayer ]: their response was that they would take his suggestion under consideration.  He mentioned the town hall meeting 
(06/27 02:17:36) [ Relayer ]: Cate would not get into it
(06/27 02:17:59) [ Relayer ]: exp: were some of the guilds named?
(06/27 02:17:59)  Butch: Reteltee, how did you get pulled into this conversation with Marie and Cate
(06/27 02:18:02)  Sam Byard: Question: were any guild names discussed and when are we gonna get the guild hall
(06/27 02:18:07) [ Relayer ]: exp: and when would we get the guild hall
(06/27 02:18:18) [ Relayer ]: R: yes they asked for five guilds
(06/27 02:18:38) [ Relayer ]: exp: guild of greeters would be a great service, guild of helpers
(06/27 02:18:40)  Sam Byard: Ret: He gave his opinion on 5 guild names including guild of greeters and guild of helpers (his own opinion no one elses)
(06/27 02:18:47)  Sam Byard: the DRC will take it into consideration
(06/27 02:18:48) [ Relayer ]: only his opinion - not their statements to him
(06/27 02:19:00) [ Relayer ]: guild of maintainers, photographers
(06/27 02:19:03)  Sam Byard: Rit: mentioned the cartographers the maintainers and the writers
(06/27 02:19:08) [ Relayer ]: they seemed logical with what's going on
(06/27 02:19:15) [ Relayer ]: the surveyors, cartographers
(06/27 02:19:19)  Sam Byard: (I hope someone is logging this)
(06/27 02:19:23) [ Relayer ]: would all fit with where we all are now
(06/27 02:19:37) [ Relayer ]: guild of writers for new ages being created
(06/27 02:19:38)  Sam Byard: Rit: gives reasons on his choices of good guild names
(06/27 02:19:46) [ Relayer ]: just suggestions from him 
(06/27 02:20:06) [ Relayer ]: he did not feel that we needed to recreate the D'ni empire
(06/27 02:20:28) [ Relayer ]: take what they guild and keep it and take what we do and keep it
(06/27 02:20:31)  Sam Byard: Rit: I told the DRC that we didn't need to rebuild the D'ni empire
(06/27 02:20:39) [ Relayer ]: take what they *built*
(06/27 02:20:43)  j'lyn: lol
(06/27 02:20:50)  Dedstef Bijklo: Shh
(06/27 02:21:00)  Kato: ty ret
(06/27 02:21:00)  Sam Byard: Rit said: the guild of writers must be player driven and he did present this fact for their consideration
(06/27 02:21:11)  Dedstef Bijklo: Yes
(06/27 02:21:14)  Butch: The group in Cyan Chat is curious how this meeting came about
(06/27 02:21:15) [ Relayer ]: exp:  Guild of writers - the guild of writers was player driven.  he doesn't know what form that will take, they are neutral.  Only his opinion.  He presented it for their consideration
(06/27 02:21:21)  Thend: what's their next step?
(06/27 02:21:30) [ Relayer ]: he is asking for other questions from the explorers now
(06/27 02:21:36) [ Relayer ]: exp:  what's their next step?
(06/27 02:22:13)  Dedstef Bijklo: 555
(06/27 02:22:33) [ Relayer ]: the meeting came about when he was in the city earlier and he asked Marie a question if she would discuss the possibility of guild structure.  She came back and found him to schedule a meeting.
(06/27 02:22:38)  Sam Byard: Rit: the meeting came about when the memorial was unveiled, rit asked marie about hte possibility of a guild structure, he felt he was brushed off, and asked for a meeting. (Rit continues about his interest in the guild srtucture)
(06/27 02:22:43) [ Relayer ]: He felt it would enhance our experience as explorers
(06/27 02:22:57) [ Relayer ]: he feels strongly about the guild structure
(06/27 02:23:13) [ Relayer ]: we could contribute with what we could bring to the table
(06/27 02:23:31)  Andrew Eldred: Question, when you can take one, Rit.
(06/27 02:23:32)  Butch: Thanks.
(06/27 02:24:05)  Sam Byard: Marie gave Rit her KI number and invited him to a meeting with Cate and her
(06/27 02:24:14) [ Relayer ]: Marie sent him a message inviting him to a private meeting with Cate and Marie
(06/27 02:24:20)  Thend: Me
(06/27 02:24:25) [ Relayer ]: they asked for his opinion about the guild structure
(06/27 02:24:27)  Thend: What is their next step
(06/27 02:24:41) [ Relayer ]: Thend:  what is their next step?
(06/27 02:24:53)  Sam Byard: Rit: next steps, next steps are looking at baby steps foreward, basic implementation of SOMETHING
(06/27 02:25:02)  Dedstef Bijklo: me next
(06/27 02:25:07) [ Relayer ]: R: next steps are looking at baby steps... basic implementation of ...
(06/27 02:25:18)  Captain Jack Harkness: Is there a timeframe?
(06/27 02:25:26) [ Relayer ]: that is all he can repeat.  Something is coming.  He can't answer this question.
(06/27 02:25:39)  Dedstef Bijklo: Ok
(06/27 02:25:39)  Sam Byard: Rit: there will be definately some sort of implementation here soon but Rit is not at liberty to say waht
(06/27 02:25:54) [ Relayer ]: (this is a RELAY of a meeting taking place in the UO hood)
(06/27 02:26:00)  Thend: Who, what?
(06/27 02:26:00)  Dedstef Bijklo: Nevermind
(06/27 02:26:02)  Sam Byard: (someone getting this log ?)
(06/27 02:26:05)  Thend: Ah  lol
(06/27 02:26:07)  Kato: I am
(06/27 02:26:08)  Andrew Eldred: Was there any indication that the guilds will entail some sort of guild specific content?  For instance, translations or other small bits of info to brood over between episodes?
(06/27 02:26:16)  Qvist: yes sam
(06/27 02:26:16)  Dedstef Bijklo: I'm sorry i just forgot mine.
(06/27 02:26:44) [ Relayer ]: Andres:  was there any indication that the guilds will entail some sort of guild specific content?
(06/27 02:26:45)  Sam Byard: Rit: I dont have anything specific on Andrews question
(06/27 02:26:54)  j'lyn: darn, isn't working
(06/27 02:26:57)  Yali: I want those robes!
(06/27 02:27:00)  Andrew Eldred: Cool, thanks regardless!
(06/27 02:27:10) [ Relayer ]: he doesn't have anything specific or rather what he has he isn't allowed to repeat.  regarding specific content... he doesn't know.
(06/27 02:27:22)  Andrew Eldred: Why am I so cool?
(06/27 02:27:22)  j'lyn: yes, can we get the doors fixed?
(06/27 02:27:26) Andrew Eldred shrugs
(06/27 02:27:26)  j'lyn: lol
(06/27 02:27:28)  Thend: Will they consider any new Guilds?
(06/27 02:27:36)  Thend: Besides the ones you mentioned
(06/27 02:27:36) [ Relayer ]: R is asking for other questions
(06/27 02:27:40)  Butch: How long have you been studying the guilds?
(06/27 02:27:55) [ Relayer ]: Thend:  will they consider any new guilds besides the ones mentioned?
(06/27 02:27:57)  Sam Byard: Rit: I imagine they will but I dont know
(06/27 02:28:10) Andrew Eldred agrees.
(06/27 02:28:19) [ Relayer ]: R:  I imagine probably but I don't know
(06/27 02:28:30) [ Relayer ]: Guild of Greeters was mentioned specifically
(06/27 02:28:35)  Sam Byard: Rit gave his opinion on the GoG as a good group and very helpful
(06/27 02:28:43)  ghaelen: hmmm
(06/27 02:28:47) [ Relayer ]: R thinks they do a very good job and it keeps people coming back
(06/27 02:28:53)  ghaelen: well, at least we can hear
(06/27 02:29:27)  Sam Byard: Rit mentioned that a reward or official recognition of the GoG would be good, (this was mentioned to the DRC)
(06/27 02:29:27) [ Relayer ]: R: it would be keeping within the community structure
(06/27 02:29:40) [ Relayer ]: R: guilds should not be elitist but should help people
(06/27 02:29:48)  Sam Byard: RiT: Beyond that I don't know
(06/27 02:29:55)  rivenraft: when are we going to get a new dance 
(06/27 02:30:04) [ Relayer ]: R mentioned that a reward or official recognition of the GoG would be good.
(06/27 02:30:09) [ Relayer ]: R: Beyond that I don't know
(06/27 02:30:10) Do'Tsahvahn claps his hands
(06/27 02:30:10)  Andrew Eldred: I guess I have another question...
(06/27 02:30:22)  rivenraft: my friend want to know 
(06/27 02:30:30)  Sam Byard: Rit has been studying the guilds for as long as the novels have been out 
(06/27 02:30:31)  Captain Jack Harkness: Lol, personaly, the fact that the GoG has personal shirts that only they can get are reward enough
(06/27 02:30:38)  Sam Byard: and got them as soon as they had come out
(06/27 02:30:40) ghaelen raises her hand from outside the broken door
(06/27 02:30:55)  Butch: Thank you, Ret
(06/27 02:30:59) [ Relayer ]: exp:  how long has R been studying guilds.    R:  for a long time, as long as the novels have been out.
(06/27 02:31:26)  Sam Byard: sorry everyone i just noticed i called Ret Rit this whole time
(06/27 02:31:59)  Andrew Eldred: Although you can't tell us about some info, on a scale of 1-10, how excited are you about those secret bits?
(06/27 02:32:02)  Sam Byard: Ret is passionate about the guild system and is attracted to uru in very many ways because of the very human aspects of uru, including guild structure
(06/27 02:32:02) Qvist wants to ask a question...
(06/27 02:32:04) [ Relayer ]: we're going to make the guilds something better than what they were
(06/27 02:32:17) [ Relayer ]: we deserve the chance to do it and the guild structure is one of the ways we can
(06/27 02:32:25)  Do'Tsahvahn: 13.5!!!
(06/27 02:32:30)  Dedstef Bijklo: I give a 12
(06/27 02:32:31)  Andrew Eldred: So, they must've paid you off.
(06/27 02:32:46)  Sonseeharay: I have aquestion : why is that dude standing right in front of you 
(06/27 02:32:46)  Captain Jack Harkness: Ded, please move
(06/27 02:32:53)  Dedstef Bijklo: ret why are you behind me
(06/27 02:32:53)  Andrew Eldred: Haha, cool.  Awesome stuff.
(06/27 02:32:55) [ Relayer ]: (This is a relay of a meeting taking place in the UO hood)
(06/27 02:32:55)  Sam Byard: Ret, is (on a scale of 1-10) excited about an 11.5 about some of the secret info given
(06/27 02:33:00)  Qvist: Why exactly 5 guilds? I think it's not very representative
(06/27 02:33:14)  Dedstef Bijklo: We are one
(06/27 02:33:15) [ Relayer ]: exp:  how excited are you about these secret bits?  
(06/27 02:33:35)  Sam Byard: Ret, theres probably gonna be a different number than 5 guilds
(06/27 02:33:35) [ Relayer ]: R is very excited about it.  He thinks it will be very cool when it comes out.  Looking at five guilds to begin with
(06/27 02:33:55)  Do'Tsahvahn: Could we ask you what the cool thing is _not_?
(06/27 02:34:02) Thend starts to laugh
(06/27 02:34:08)  Delas: Did the DRC give any hints or in your opinion do you believe they are open to Shared Governance of the cavern based on opening up to the guilds topic?
(06/27 02:34:09)  Dedstef Bijklo: Lol
(06/27 02:34:19)  Do'Tsahvahn: Is is not blue?
(06/27 02:34:23) [ Relayer ]: they asked R if he could pick five, which ones would they be? He answered with the ones he gave us
(06/27 02:34:43)  j'lyn: ummm... there are some people outside...
(06/27 02:34:48) [ Relayer ]: Q:  did the DRC give any hints that they are open to Shared Governance of the cavern?
(06/27 02:34:52)  Dedstef Bijklo: I kow
(06/27 02:34:56) [ Relayer ]: R: it was one of the points he mentioned in the meeting.
(06/27 02:35:02)  Sam Byard: Ret: I brought up Shared governance with the DRC, CAte and MArie were very clear Ret did not speak for the other exploreres
(06/27 02:35:09)  Dedstef Bijklo: Ow stop pulling your hand through me!
(06/27 02:35:16) [ Relayer ]: R did not go into the meeting representing anyone but himself
(06/27 02:35:18)  Captain Jack Harkness: Then move ded
(06/27 02:35:25)  Sonseeharay: there should not be secret info between explorers at all . Between the Cyan ic I understand 
(06/27 02:35:28)  j'lyn: ghaelen wants to ask a question, if that's ok
(06/27 02:35:28)  Delas: Oh no, but shared givernance will certainly be an issue
(06/27 02:35:32)  Sam Byard: Ded can you let Ret stand on his own
(06/27 02:35:35) [ Relayer ]: R is making it clear that he is not speaking for any other explorers
(06/27 02:35:36)  Dedstef Bijklo: I cant his hand is torn through me
(06/27 02:35:37)  Delas: *governance
(06/27 02:35:38)  Dedstef Bijklo: Lol
(06/27 02:35:45)  Captain Jack Harkness: Grow up and please move
(06/27 02:35:50)  Dedstef Bijklo: No
(06/27 02:36:12)  Songe: attention deficeny syndrome
(06/27 02:36:12) [ Relayer ]: Shared Governance is one of the things that came up
(06/27 02:36:16)  Dedstef Bijklo: You need to grow up and ignore me
(06/27 02:36:21) [ Relayer ]: or something similar - something democratic
(06/27 02:36:31)  Kato: Done
(06/27 02:36:43)  Sam Byard: i have a question
(06/27 02:36:58)  ghaelen: If It's ok to mention.  I study guilds on the surface, and the purpose of a guild is to control access to the education of those skills and of the tools.  Ego does create power struggles to continue that control.  How would these guilds be any different?
(06/27 02:37:06)  Sam Byard: these baby steps, this "secret info" you have been given, are we talking a month, or 6 months ?
(06/27 02:37:24)  ghaelen: oh thank you!
(06/27 02:37:30)  Sonseeharay: in game the guilds became too power hungry aren't you afraid that will happen in this instance to
(06/27 02:37:48) [ Relayer ]: Q:  these baby steps, this "secret info", are we talking a month or 6 months?
(06/27 02:37:52)  Sam Byard: Ret: the time frame has not been defined AT all
(06/27 02:37:54) [ Relayer ]: R: time frame has not been defined
(06/27 02:38:11)  ommadawn: 
(06/27 02:38:34) [ Relayer ]: Q:  concern is for possible power struggles
(06/27 02:39:00) [ Relayer ]: guild structure allows for collaborative experience in other MMo's
(06/27 02:39:13)  Sam Byard: Ret (in answer to Ghaelen) Ret took this to Cate and MArie: the guild structure in other MMOS allows for a relatively collaborative experience, but wotn work in Uru becasue of our unique environment, and Ret compared this to other environments, and that it led to elitism, and that doesn't ift uru
(06/27 02:39:18) [ Relayer ]: the main fault is exclusionism or elitism, this does not fit with the Uru model
(06/27 02:39:18)  ghaelen: I would strongly urge caution on the part of the DRC.  yes, exclusion and elitism -- that is inherent in a "guild"
(06/27 02:39:31) [ Relayer ]: the people here want to build something together
(06/27 02:39:36)  Dedstef Bijklo: Uhuh
(06/27 02:39:42)  Sam Byard: Ret: Urged that guilds need to be implemented in a new way in Uru
(06/27 02:40:11)  Dedstef Bijklo: nah
(06/27 02:40:18) [ Relayer ]: part of what he presented to them is that the D'ni guilds are different.  The majority of the people here are trying to do their best
(06/27 02:40:19)  Dedstef Bijklo: I'd rather you get one and leave me alone
(06/27 02:40:34) [ Relayer ]: he thinks we can create something like that
(06/27 02:40:44) [ Relayer ]: that is collaborative without being exclusive
(06/27 02:40:49)  ghaelen: can "we" do it?  If "maybe" even, that would be really cool!  But, I am concerned about RL "human" nature.  We have to accept we are only and mere humans with great potential
(06/27 02:40:51)  Sam Byard: Ret: I pointed out that the guilds must be collaborative not exclusive and use the guilds as a jumping off point 
(06/27 02:41:04) [ Relayer ]: build a strong foundation that we can use as a jumping off point, there isn't a limit to what we can do
(06/27 02:41:29)  Sam Byard: Ret: pointed out to the drc taht these guilds should be solid to rely on and use as a basis to build on
(06/27 02:41:31) [ Relayer ]: (to block this transmission, put my KI# 7265887 on your ignore list)
(06/27 02:41:41)  ghaelen: Thank you!
(06/27 02:41:49) [ Relayer ]: R: if we are going to build something greater than what we have now we need something solid with structure
(06/27 02:41:51)  Andrew Eldred: Nope, sounds great!
(06/27 02:42:08)  Do'Tsahvahn: How did Cate and Maria interact durring the meeting?
(06/27 02:42:12)  Do'Tsahvahn: Marie*
(06/27 02:42:26)  Do'Tsahvahn: Who spoke more?
(06/27 02:42:31) [ Relayer ]: Q:  how did Cate and Marie interact during the meeting?
(06/27 02:42:36) [ Relayer ]: R:  in a word, they didn't
(06/27 02:42:38)  Do'Tsahvahn: Was there any awkwardness, or honesty?
(06/27 02:42:40) [ Relayer ]: Q:  who spoke more?
(06/27 02:42:44) [ Relayer ]: R: Cate, by far
(06/27 02:42:44)  Sam Byard: Ret: CAte and Marie DIDN'T interact during the meeting (tone of voice gives impression of tension)
(06/27 02:42:50)  Do'Tsahvahn: Hehe
(06/27 02:42:59)  Sam Byard: Ret felt awkward in the meeting
(06/27 02:43:05) [ Relayer ]: R: although Marie's contributions were invaluable
(06/27 02:43:17) [ Relayer ]: he felt it was a little awkward, he wasn't expecting this opportunity
(06/27 02:43:55)  ommadawn: anyone seeing locked doors  -try the egg room, sound goes through walls!
(06/27 02:43:56)  Thend: Suggestion-
(06/27 02:43:58) [ Relayer ]: Cate is certainly a force to be reckoned with
(06/27 02:44:20)  Do'Tsahvahn: I take it there was nothing special to mention about the Council Bevin?
(06/27 02:44:23)  Thend: Trappings of Guilds should be available to all, regrdless of if someone is 'Guilded' or not
(06/27 02:44:26)  Xanos: Do you expect to play a role in the future development of guilds?
(06/27 02:44:27)  Sam Byard: Ret: There was an eerie feeling to have a meeting with two individuals that are RUNNING the project, and yet knew me
(06/27 02:44:40)  Thend: Just a suggestion
(06/27 02:44:49) Do'Tsahvahn starts to laugh
(06/27 02:44:50)  Sam Byard: Ret: there was nothing special about the DRC bevin
(06/27 02:44:52) Top Gun laughs
(06/27 02:45:12)  Sam Byard: Ret: I am not at liberty to say Xanos
(06/27 02:45:22) Thend wants to ask a question...
(06/27 02:45:22) [ Relayer ]: Q:  do you expect to play a role in future development of guilds?
(06/27 02:45:28)  ghaelen: hi thend!
(06/27 02:45:32) [ Relayer ]: R:  I can't talk about that.  I'm not at liberty to say
(06/27 02:45:34)  Thend: Suggestion, Guild trappings should be available to all
(06/27 02:45:43)  Thend: Not just Guilded explorers
(06/27 02:45:47)  Thend: That's it  :)
(06/27 02:45:57)  Sam Byard: to butt in thend, why ?
(06/27 02:46:03)  Sam Byard: that would defeat the object
(06/27 02:46:11) [ Relayer ]: Thend:  Suggestion - guild trappings should be available to all not just guilded explorers
(06/27 02:46:13)  Thend: To avoid 'elitism'
(06/27 02:46:15) Thend thanks you very much!
(06/27 02:46:18)  Sam Byard: you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between em
(06/27 02:46:37) [ Relayer ]: R:  If I have the opportunity to meet with them again, I will pass along the suggestion
(06/27 02:47:03)  Thend: in genral, not too much differences and stuff
(06/27 02:47:09)  Thend: Or it might seperate us
(06/27 02:47:24) [ Relayer ]: general items should be available to all (Thend?)
(06/27 02:47:53) [ Relayer ]: Thend feels that there should not be too many differences that would separate us
(06/27 02:47:55)  Top Gun: Yes, but on the surface, club members can make T-shirts for their members
(06/27 02:48:13)  Sam Byard: anythign else to add Ret ?
(06/27 02:48:18)  Top Gun: Is it really a problem if you can't wear a guild t-shirt if you're not in that guild?
(06/27 02:48:28)  Top Gun: (as a simple example)
(06/27 02:48:40)  Butch: How are guilds going to not force "one true Explorer organization"
(06/27 02:48:44)  Reteltee: I'd love to; i'm a trifle occupied at the moment answering questions
(06/27 02:48:48)  Sonseeharay: I am trying to make him behave
(06/27 02:48:49) [ Relayer ]: Q:  is it really a problem if you can't wear a guild tshirt if you're not in that guild?
(06/27 02:48:50)  Kato: No, it's not. Example: I wear my company hats and t-shirts all the time, and no one but employees and myself can.
(06/27 02:49:00)  Sonseeharay: his mother isn't home to do it
(06/27 02:49:20)  Top Gun: Exactly, Kato
(06/27 02:49:29)  Thend:  I just meant 'special' stuff should be on a more limited scale.  Not shift the balance of equality as much as possible
(06/27 02:50:08) ghaelen is getting more worried about this guild idea
(06/27 02:50:10) [ Relayer ]: (R is answering a PM at the moment, will be right back)
(06/27 02:50:31)  Sonseeharay: so rare to find this kind of person in URU
(06/27 02:50:49) [ Relayer ]: (This is a relay of a meeting in the UO Bevin, regarding Reteltee's meeting with Cate and Marie about the formation of guilds)
(06/27 02:50:56)  Sam Byard: UO the cavern today surely
(06/27 02:51:02)  ghaelen: in the middle ages the guild members got to wear special clothes or "badges"
(06/27 02:51:08)  Butch: The the point of the guilds is not to force "one true explorer organization"
(06/27 02:51:40) [ Relayer ]:  a copy of the chat log will be posted up until Cate told him to turn it off.  They will be on Myst and Uru forums, also on Cavern Today.
(06/27 02:51:48)  Thend: Will you be holding other meetings to gain mopre expolorer/Guild opinion?
(06/27 02:51:50) [ Relayer ]: it will be on the UO forum
(06/27 02:52:04)  Thend: Reteltee, scroll up
(06/27 02:52:16) Thend wants to ask a question...
(06/27 02:52:25)  Thend: Scroll up please
(06/27 02:52:26)  ghaelen: but those special badges rather made their heads swell....
(06/27 02:52:55) [ Relayer ]: Thend:  will you be holding other meetings to gain more explorer/guild opinion?
(06/27 02:52:55)  Thend: Will you be holding more meetings to gain explorer/Guild input on this?
(06/27 02:53:19)  Top Gun: If a t-shirt makes someone's head swell, they're not really worth bothering with, are they? :p
(06/27 02:53:23) [ Relayer ]: R: yes definitely
(06/27 02:54:00)  ghaelen: have to bother with them if you have to "play nice" with them to get access to the guild.....
(06/27 02:54:27) [ Relayer ]: If the DRC has any more contact, he will take people's suggestions with him
(06/27 02:54:46)  Top Gun: If that's the type of guild they were running, I wouldn't want access in the first place
(06/27 02:54:47) Thend nods his head
(06/27 02:55:23)  ghaelen: yes.... and we hope that although exclusion is inherent in t guild, these wouldn't be like that

Die Idee, die Forscher durch repräsentative Gilden mehr einzubeziehen, ist eigentlich eine gute Idee, allerdings befürchte ich, dass das nicht so ganz fuktionieren wird. Der DRC hat es nie wirklich geschafft, Forscher auf dem laufenden Stand zu halte. Wieso sollte die Kommunikation danach besser funktionieren. Auch müsste sich der DRC dann endlich mal Dinge überlegen, die wir als Forscher tun könnten, um dem DRC bzw. der Restauration zu helfen. Ich bin mal wirklich gespannt, was diese Babyschritte sein werden, die der DRC (oder soll ich sagen Cate) unternehmen will.

Hamsta · Beitrag von **Hamsta** » 27.06.2007, 13:38

Qvist hat geschrieben:die der DRC (oder soll ich sagen Cate)

Nach der aktuellen KI-Nachricht wurde Cate ja offiziell als vollwertiges Mitglied im DRC aufgenommen...

Qvist · Beitrag von **Qvist** » 27.06.2007, 14:19

Hamsta hat geschrieben:
Qvist hat geschrieben:die der DRC (oder soll ich sagen Cate)
Nach der aktuellen KI-Nachricht wurde Cate ja offiziell als vollwertiges Mitglied im DRC aufgenommen...

Ich wollte dadurch zum Ausdruck bringen, dass Cate nicht nur Teil des DRC ist, sondern so auftritt als wäre sie der DRC. Denn was sie sagt, habt scheinbar Gewicht. Siehe auch im Chatlog, wer am meisten geredet hat während des Meetings.

Tachzusamm · Beitrag von **Tachzusamm** » 27.06.2007, 15:09

Qvist hat geschrieben:@Hamsta: Siehe ein paar Posts weiter oben

Qvist hat geschrieben:Ja, das war gestern ganz aufschlussreich, ich war dort. Er hat über Voice-Chat gesprochen. Sam hat aber alles dokumentiert.
[..]

@Qvist: Siehe auch Seite 7 ganz unten *schmunzel*
Sorry, could not resist.
(Ok, i could - but i didn't)

Ist aber natürlich richtig gewesen, es trotzdem zu posten, bei Dir stehen ja auch die Kommentare der Anwesenden drin, weil Du dabei warst.

Qvist · Beitrag von **Qvist** » 27.06.2007, 15:41

Tachzusamm hat geschrieben: Ist aber natürlich richtig gewesen, es trotzdem zu posten, bei Dir stehen ja auch die Kommentare der Anwesenden drin, weil Du dabei warst.

Ich hab das natürlich gesehen und aus obigem Grund trotzdem gepostet.

Tachzusamm · Beitrag von **Tachzusamm** » 27.06.2007, 15:55

Natürlich!

Qvist hat geschrieben:Die Idee, die Forscher durch repräsentative Gilden mehr einzubeziehen, ist eigentlich eine gute Idee, allerdings befürchte ich, dass das nicht so ganz fuktionieren wird. Der DRC hat es nie wirklich geschafft, Forscher auf dem laufenden Stand zu halte. Wieso sollte die Kommunikation danach besser funktionieren. Auch müsste sich der DRC dann endlich mal Dinge überlegen, die wir als Forscher tun könnten, um dem DRC bzw. der Restauration zu helfen. Ich bin mal wirklich gespannt, was diese Babyschritte sein werden, die der DRC (oder soll ich sagen Cate) unternehmen will.

Gab es solche Versuche nicht schon mal? Mir fallen da die Forscher "Vortmax" und "Legacy" ein, die früher schon Gruppen um sich geschart haben, um dem DRC geeignet gegenüberzutreten. Weiss jemand etwas darüber oder kann sich noch erinnern, wie sich das verhielt?
Vielleicht verwexel ich auch etwas.

Qvist · Beitrag von **Qvist** » 27.06.2007, 16:40

Da ich noch nicht so lange dabei bin, kann ich nichts darüber sagen. Thend erwähnt nur gestern, dass es so etwas vor ziemlich genau einem Jahr gab. Aber ich bin dann schlafen gegangen und hab nicht weiter nachgehakt.

Orbmu2k · Beitrag von **Orbmu2k** » 27.06.2007, 22:05

Spoiler: Chatlog 27.6. Marie Sutherland - German Relay by Mucol